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Complaint No. File^ Number
Interview of: Brendan Dassev
Manitowoc County Sheriffs Department
Reporting Officers: Inv. Mark Wigert
Special Agent Tom Fassbender
The following will be a^ transcript of the audio^ and videotaped portion of the^ interview^ with
BRENDAN R. DASSEY:
WIEGERT: Brendan, I’m just gonna to read you this form, it’ s your Miranda Rights
and then we’ll talk about that a little bit, OK? The law requires you be advised you of^ the
following rights:
> You have the right to remain silent
> Anything you say can and will be used against you in court
> You have the right to consult a lawyer and have him present with you while you’re being
questioned. If you cannot afford to hire an attorney, one will be appointed to represent
you before^ any questioning.
> You have the right to stop answering questions at any time.
WIEGERT: Now you gotta speak up so this thing picks up your voice, OK? I just got
two questions to ask you from there: Do you know and understand each of these rights, your
rights, which I have explained?
BRENDAN: Yeah
WIEGERT: Understanding these rights, do you want to talk with us?
BRENDAN: Yeah
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WIEGERT: OK. And I’m gonna have, I’m gonna sign here and I need^ you^ to^ sign by the X.
(phone rings)
WIEGERT: (apparently speaking (^) on phone) Hello, um, call Dedering, I can’t talk
right now.
FASSBENDER: Thank you Brendan
WIEGERT: All right, ah, so like I told you, we’re going to take (^) a ride over to the a Manitowoc Sheriff’s Dept. They’ve gotta a nice quiet room there, there’s no kids running in and out and stuff, so, and if you play it right, who knows, maybe we’ll get you back as soon as we can. If we, we all get over there as soon (^) as we (^) can. Um, I’m just gonna have you initial actually also um here and here, saying that I read you those and then that you agreed to talk with us, OK? (Pause) All right.
FASSBENDER: I think we told (^) you Brendan, we (^) talked to mom and mom is, is OK with this and good with this and she just wants to talk (^) to ya when we’re, we’re done.
WIEGERT: Um, I just, one question I had for you (^) real quick Brendan is um, those jeans that Tom had talked to you about the other night with the bleach stains on 'em, do you still have those?
BRENDAN: Yeah
WIEGERT: Where are those?
BRENDAN: They’re at my house.
WIEGERT: Do you know where in your house they would be?
BRENDAN: Yeah.
WIEGERT: (^) Where would they be?
BRENDAN: They’re, by the kitchen table.
WIEGERT: By (^) the kitchen table, like laying on the floor or on a
BRENDAN: I looked at 'em and then put ‘em on a chair
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WIEGERT: Tha-that makes more sense.
FASSBENDER: And they could meet us wherever they want to meet us.
WIEGERT: Sure
FASSBENDER: If we need ‘em.
WIEGERT: We’ll just go over and verify that they’re there^ and^ grab um^ and^ ah^ then
we’ll call ‘em and tell ‘em what they look like and all that so.
WIEGERT: So, you like snow?
BRENDAN: all right
WIEGERT: Or would you rather have it warm up?
BRENDAN:
WIEGERT: No?
BRENDAN: We got five in the garage
FASSBENDER: Do we turn here?
WIEGERT: So you can get out of school (cough) so you can get outta school. Yeah (pause) (^) Yeah I remember being your age, waitin' for that snow day. That was a, that was (^) a great thing.
FASSBENDER: (^) In that last snow, did you have a snow day?
BRENDAN: No
FASSBENDER: You didn’t get outta school that day?
BRENDAN: (^) No.
FASSBENDER: (^) On my gosh.
WIEGERT: During that blizzard, (^) you didn’t? You guys had school here?
Complaint No.
05 - 0157-
BRENDAN:
WIEGERT:
FASSBENDER:
WIEGERT: school right?
BRENDAN:
FASSBENDER:
BRENDAN:
WIEGERT:
BRENDAN:
WIEGERT?
BRENDAN:
WIEGERT:
BRENDAN:
WIEGERT:
FASSBENDER:
(pause)
FASSBENDER:
WIEGERT:
BRENDAN:
FASSBENDER:
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Really?
Well mine got out. (pause) I (pause)
Do (^) you have to (^) ride the (^) bus to (^) school or, (^) that’s, that’s how you get to
Yeah
Does Blaine drive yet, Brendan? \
He’s (^) got his license but (^) he ain’t (^) got a car to drive.
What about you?
I gotta do one more thing with the instructor
You gotta do one more thing with the instructor?
Looking forward to that?
I’m sure you could find yourself a car out here somewhere.
(laugh)
I imagine this drifts over pretty much.
I’ll bet you get some drifts in this driveway, huh?
Yeah
At least the holes gettin’ filled in with ice. (pause) ..bad in the winter.
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BRENDAN: Yeah.
FASSBENDER: He seems like a pretty cool kid.
BRENDAN: Yeah.
FASSBENDER: I like him. (pause) You go over there quite a bit on the weekends huh?
Seems like a nice place to be. So how’ d the night go in the motel room.
BRENDAN: Pretty good.
W1EGERT: It’s a pretty nice place there, Fox Hills, isn’t it? (^) \
BRENDAN: Yeah.
WIEGERT: Yeah, (pause) The sky, it looks like it could snow a little bit today.
FASSBENDER: I’m more worried about the a freezin’ rain that’s supposed to come in
later. They’re sayin’ it’s supposed to go up to 40 something today.
WIEGERT: I think they lied.
FASSBENDER: (^) They always lie.
WIEGERT (^) : When we get into Mishicot, we’II turn right.
FASSBENDER: Brendan, you hungry at all?
BRENDAN: Not really.
FASSBENDER: Drink, anything, bag a chips or something cuz this may you know be a little while.
BRENDAN: Naw.
FASSBENDER: OK, donut?
BRENDAN: No.
(pause)
WIEGERT: Did you ever go there to eat?
Complaint No.
BRENDAN:
WIEGERT:
WIEGERT:
BRENDAN:
WIEGERT:
BRENDAN:
WIEGERT:
FASSBENDER:
(pause)
WIEGERT:
BRENDAN:
WIEGERT:
BRENDAN:
WIEGERT:
FASSBENDER:
WIEGERT:
FASSBENDER:
WIEGERT:
FASSBENDER:
BRENDAN:
FASSBENDER:
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Once
Once?
Do (^) you golf (^) at all?
Sometimes..
Do you come out here (^) to Fox Hills?
Yeah.
Condos eh?
You eats lunch at school normally? er?
Yeah.
Yeah. How’s the food there?
Pretty good.
Pretty good, (pause) I just wanna put a windmill up at^ my, by my house.
They probably wouldn’t let ya.
Probably.
City’d say that’s an eyesore.
So I’d move it out.
So how ya doin’ Brendan since ah the^ last^ time^ we^ talked^ to^ you?
Pretty good.
Everyone being decent to you?
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BRENDAN: Once in a while.
FASSBENDER: Looks like a nice place, I don’t know. / WIEGERT: It’ s not open anymore.
.^ FASSBENDER:^ Oh^ isn’t^ it?
WIEGERT: No.^ Used^ to^ be^ many^ a^ weddings^ there over the^ years,^ (pause)^ What’s your girlfriend’s name?
BRENDAN: Emily
WIEGERT: Emily. Do you know her last name?
BRENDAN: No.
WIEGERT: No.
FASSBENDER: When’s their basketball game? Valders win? Was it yesterday or today?
WIEGERT: Ahhh, yeah they won, I think it was last night. They play, I just heard,
Appleton or a Sheboygan Christians or Sheboygan Christian. I think they play them at home, I
didn’t catch the date though.
FASSBENDER: I wonder how bad Menasha got beat.
WIEGERT: They did?
FASSBENDER: I wonder how bad
WIEGERT: Oh.
FASSBENDER: I’m just^ assuming they did.
(pause)
WIEGERT: (Apparently on a telephone conversation) Hi this is Mark.^ Yeah.^ Ahh,
within ten minutes. Yep. We’re in, just, we’re just, just coming in on B. All right. Bye.
FASSBENDER: Who^ was^ that?
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WIEGERT:
FASSBENDER:
WIEGERT:
Det. Remiker
Now, now he’s available, where the hell was he?
He had called me before. He had just got in to work.
FASSBENDER: Oh. OK.
WIEGERT: We’re gonna go straight through the lights. (Apparently another^ telephone conversation) Hi, this^ is Mark. No you can try again. OK. Bye. (pause) That’s a big^ water tower, (pause) You’ll turn right. And then you’ll wanna grab the left lane. Turn left here.
FASSBENDER: This car will not get an award for quietest car.
(pause) (cough) (mumble)
WIEGERT: Stay (^) in this lane, (^) just (pause) through the lights (pause) Now as soon as this car (^) gets by you, you’ll wanna get in that left lane and we’ll turn left at (^) the lights. And you know where we are? It’s right there, yeah.
FASSBENDER: Not sure where (^) we
WIEGERT: (^) Go up another, ah you coulda turned there, but a, we’ll just to up to the lights and then turn right and come around, (pause) Just (^) go right at the next, not here but go over there, park right (^) in front, (pause) Turn right at the stop sign and we can park right in front,
(pause) Right by the pickup 10:43 a.m., we’re gonna go inside and use an interview room.
(pause) (whistling)
UNKNOWN VOICE: (^) You here for the meeting?
WIEGERT: (^) Um, actually no, I’m here for Det. Remiker, he’s waiting for me now.
UNKNOWN VOICE: OK. And you are?
WIEGERT: Inv. Wiegert, (^) Calumet Sheriff
UNKNOWN VOICE: All Right.
FASSBENDER: Does (^) seem like it would have been a lot longer on the Interstate for some reason.
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REMIKER: Good. Come on in.
(pause)
WIEGERT: This door Dave?
VOICE: Yup, take right. Up the stairs,
(pause and background voices)
WIEGERT:
VOICE:
VOICE:
VOICE:
WIEGERT:
UNKNOWN VOICE:
WIEGERT: stop out for a
BRENDAN:
Momin’
Momin’
Momin’
Mark Anderson would like to chat with you if you had a chance.
Sure, absolutely.
Momin’, good to see ya.
Why don’t (^) you just, just (^) you have a seat Brendan. Tom and I just gotta minute and then we’ll be right in, OK?
(nods “yes”) OK.
INV. WIEGERT: All right.
(door open & closes)
(pause)
Background Voice: You guys want coffee (^) or anything? Water?
FASSBENDER: Soda? Water? (Brendan shakes head “no”) You sure?
BRENDAN: Well water maybe (nods “yes”).
FASSBENDER: (^) OK.
Complaint No.
(background voices)
(long pause)
WIEGERT: All right.^ How you doin’ buddy?
BRENDAN: Good
FASSBENDER: Brendan,^ Brendan. Here you go.
WIEGERT: I’m just gonna shut this audio off, be-OK, ‘cuz there’s audio in the room
(Brendan nods “yes”) here
BRENDAN: Yeah.
WIEGERT: Just so you know. OK. Um, I just wanted to just, just go over this real quick again. Do you remember^ these rights, your Miranda Rights that I read to you? (Brendan nods “yes”)
BRENDAN: Yeah,^ (nods “yes”)
WIEGERT: Um, you still want to talk to us.
BRENDAN: Yeah, (nods “yes”)
WIEGERT: OK. Just wanted to make sure of that. (Brendan nods “yes”)
FASSBENDER: Brendan, (^) I want you ta, (^) to relax. OK. (^) Um, a little (^) more comfortable here and stuff and what we’d like, you had a couple days since we (^) last talked now which was Monday
and you had a chance to reflect and breathe, I imagine, this and (Brendan nods “yes”)
WIEGERT: You have a pen on you?
FASSBENDER: We, um
WIEGERT: I seem to have lost mine. Is this your only one. I
FASSBENDER: I got more^ here.
WIEGERT: OK.
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we want everything out in front so we can (^) say yeah we knew that Steven. (^) He told (^) us that. (^) So, ya, you know that you get my drift. I’m a, I know Mark has some, so I’m just going to give you an opportunity^ to talk^ to us now and, and kinda fill in those gaps for us. (Brendan nods “yes”)
WIEGERT: Honesty here Brendan is the thing that’s (^) gonna help you. (^) OK, no matter what you did, we can work through that. OK. We can’t make any promises but we’ll stand behind you no matter what you did. OK. Because you’re being the good guy here. You’re the one that’s saying you know what? Maybe I made some mistakes but here’s what I did. The other guy involved (^) in this doesn’t want to help himself. (^) All he wants to do (^) is blame everybody else. OK. And by you talking with us, it’s, it’s helping you. OK? Because the honest person is the one who’s gonna get a better deal out of everything. You know how that works. (Brendan nods “yes”)
BRENDAN: mm hm. (nods “yes”)
WIEGERT: You know. Honesty is the only thing that will set you free.^ Right? And we know, like (^) Tom said we know, we reviewed (^) those tapes. We know there’s some things you left out and we know there’s some things that maybe weren’t quite correct that you told us. OK. We’ve done, we’ve been investigating this a long time. We pretty much know everything^ that’s why we’re to talking to you again today. We really need you to be honest this time with everything, OK. If, in fact, you did somethings, which we believe, somethings may have happened that you didn’t wanna tell us about. It’s OK. As long as you can, as long^ as you^ be honest with us, it’s OK. (^) If you (^) lie about it that’s gonna be problems. OK. Does that sound fair? (Brendan nods “yes”)
BRENDAN: (^) mm hum (^) (nods “yes”)
WIEGERT: All right. Should we just (^) go through that whole day again on the 3 st or how do you wanna do it?
FASSBENDER: We can that a try to give him a chance to just talk to us and
WIEGERT: Sure.
FASSBENDER: if he wants to go through the whole day, if he wants to fill^ in^ the pieces,
that’s, that’s up to Brendan right now.
WIEGERT: What would you rather do?
FASSBENDER: Just wanna to talk (^) to us and tell us and startin’ with that day and how you actually came (^) to know (^) what happened and stuff. Cuz, I (^) already know you were in the garage and
stuff apparently cleaning up and stuff so tell us about that. (Brendan nods “yes”)
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BRENDAN: Well^ he^ was^ working^ on^ his^ car^ and^ like^ he^ did^ something^ wrong^ and^ then like he poked a hole in like somethin’ and then it started leaking. And then later on when cuz I
was helping him before I went over there a little bit
FASSBENDER: Yeah, I know
BRENDAN: and later on he needed help, I helped him move the car outta there^ and cleaned it up and^ I went^ back home and then that I later on I got a call from^ him^ and^ he^ wanted me to come over.
WIEGERT: Let’s go back a little bit, OK. When did you first go over by Steve?
(Brendan nods “yes”)
BRENDAN: At like 9:00.
WIEGERT: But you said you were over (^) in the garage helping him.
BRENDAN: Yeah.
WIEGERT (^) : When was that?
BRENDAN: Like six, six -thirty.
WIEGERT: (^) OK. So let’s go back OK. Let’s go back to around that time. You get home (^) off the bus (^) at about (^) three forty-five? (Brendan nods “yes”)
BRENDAN: Yeah, (nods “yes”)
WIEGERT: And what do you do? Now you gotta (^) be honest here.
BRENDAN: I walked home (^) and I go into my house.
WIEGERT: OK.
BRENDAN: and ....
WIEGERT: What did you see (^) at that time?
BRENDAN : That she was talkin’ er, her car was over there.
FASSBENDER: (^) Where was her car?
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BRENDAN: Uh huh. (nods “yes”)
FASSBENDER: Did Blaine see that?
BRENDAN: (shakes head “no”) I don’t think.
FASSBENDER: And (^) you’re sure you saw (^) that, you sure it wasn’t (^) another time (^) or anything
like that (Brendan shakes head “no”), it was Halloween this year.
BRENDAN: (nods “yes”)Yeah.
FASSBENDER: This last year? On the front porch the area?
BRENDAN: (nods “yes”)Yeah.
FASSBENDER: Do you remember what she was wearing? I know it’s a long time ago,
don’t guess, if you remember, you can say it.
BRENDAN: (^) (shakes head “no”) I don’t remember.
FASSBENDER: Do you remember how he was dressed?
BRENDAN: I think he, er ah, white short, er, white shirt with like red shorts or somethin’ (^) like that.
FASSBENDER: OK. Anytime you don’t remember you say that all right? (Brendan nods “yes”)
WIEGERT: (^) Yep, don’t make anything up. You don’t know it, you don’t know it. (Brendan nods “yes”)
FASSBENDER: So then did what happened, you saw her and him on the porch and they
were what? (Brendan nods “yes”)
BRENDAN: They were talking.
FASSBENDER: And then what did you do?
BRENDAN: I walked in my house.
FASSBENDER: And they were just talking, were they doing anything else? Were they screaming, fighting, talking, pushing, anything?
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BRENDAN: (shakes head “no”) Just talking.
FASSBENDER: OK. You went in your house and this is about quarter to four.
BRENDAN: (nods “yes”) mm huh.
FASSBENDER: And then what did you do in your house. Be honest so we don’t have ta
go though this eight times.
BRENDAN: I (^) went into (^) my room and cuz my mom told me I had ta clean my room. I
cleaned it a little bit and then played Playstation 2 for a little bit and it was about like 5:00 and
my, my brother was on the phone with his friend.
FASSBENDER: Blaine?
BRENDAN: (nods “yes”)Yeah.
FASSBENDER: OK.
BRENDAN: And he was talking about going trick or treating with 'em and that Jason will (^) pick him up at like seven.
FASSBENDER: (^) And then?
BRENDAN: And then I ate and then went into the living room at and like I was like eating in the living (^) room and watchin’ TV.
FASSBENDER: And what did ya see?
WIEGERT (^) : Honest.
BRENDAN: Like what?
FASSBENDER: Like what happened?
BRENDAN: Well then, then he called (^) and said that he wanted help on his his car.
WIEGERT: OK, did he call you or did he come over?
BRENDAN: He called me.
