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Noreen Gosch Speaks
About - Jeff Gannon,
Johnny Gosch And
The Attempted Theft Of
Her Book 'Why Johnny
Can't Come Home'
By Charlene Fassa 8-18- As most of you already know, Noreen Gosch is the mother of Johnny Gosch. When Johnny Gosch was 12 years of age and working as a paperboy for the Des Moines Register newspaper, he was kidnapped not far from his home. It was a quiet Sunday morning, around 6A.M. on September 5, 1982, when Johnny had left his home on foot to collect his assigned stack of newspapers to deliver around his quintessential "Leave It To Beaver" neighborhood. Just as he was about to pick up his bundle of newspapers, he was forcefully nabbed off the street, shoved into the back seat of a strange car, drugged, and permanently removed from his family. Johnny's childhood would be destroyed while his family was shattered and consigned to a life of endless grieving. Years later, on February 5, 1999, in a civil action in a U.S. District Court in Lincoln, Nebraska, Paul Bonacci painstakingly recounted the sordid, heart breaking details of Johnny Gosch's abduction and forced participation in an elite government sponsored pedophile sex slave ring, that dehumanized and controlled its young, hapless victims using techniques such as drugs, murder, satanic rituals, sexual abuse, and torture, resulting in MPD (multiple-personality disorder). The children were systemically
programmed and "zombified" as part of the CIA's ongoing, under-the-radar MK-ULTRA (MK = mind control) mind control program. Bonacci's attorney was John DeCamp, who later authored a revealing and ground breaking book called The Franklin Cover-Up, which is a no-holds- barred expose of the pedophile ring that had abducted both Johnny Gosch and Paul Bonacci. Paul Bonacci knew what he was talking about regarding Johnny Gosch's kidnapping in 1982. Why? Because he was there! Bonacci's role within the pedophile ring was simultaneously that of a victim and a perpetrator. Actually, the then 16 year old Paul Bonacci was the person who had lured and then forced Johnny into the back of the car that screeched away on that fateful September morning. It was Bonacci who had helped drug Johnny, and then proceeded to initiate him into the group, his new "family", by sexually assaulting him. Bonacci himself had been abducted and pressed into service as an MK- ULTRA sex slave by Lawrence E. King, a high ranking Republican operative who managed Franklin Savings and Loan in Omaha, Nebraska as a front for an internationally organized pedophile ring. He ran this pedophile ring for the benefit of government, military, and big business elites, whose patronage included political blackmail, snuff films, kiddy pornography, prostitution, illegal arms and drug running, extortion, and money laundering. This was the same Larry King who allegedly ran the infamous midnight "call-boy" tours of the White House, along with Craig Spence. Amazingly, the White House pedophile story was headlined by the Washington Times, on June 29, 1989. This brings us full circle back to Noreen Gosch. She has been an indefatigable seeker of the truth in all things related to her son's kidnapping. It was Noreen's personally funded private detectives, not the police or any branch of law enforcement, who finally uncovered the culprits who were behind Johnny's kidnapping, including why they had chosen him, for what purpose, and what they had done to him as a result. Noreen has been instrumental in exposing organized pedophilia, its infrastructure and some of the personalities behind it, as well as helping to expose the pedophile network's interlocking relationships with elite hierarchies of political, military, and corporate power. For the past 23 years, Noreen has dedicated her life to educating parents, politicians, police, teachers, children and anyone who would listen to the sordid facts behind child abductions in America, including the hidden menace of organized pedophile rings.
members and only in the USA. That's about a 1,119 children disappearing each week. And that's data from 1999! After considering the above statistics and the tragedy it represents for humanity, it's easy to understand why Noreen established the Johnny Gosch Foundation shortly after Johnny's kidnapping in 1982. But that's not all. In the1980's, she pioneered both state and federal legislation that ensures the rights of kidnapped children and their families. You can visit the Johnny Gosch Foundation website to learn more about the foundation's mission and its many notable achievements: http://www.johnnygosch.com. You can also preview Noreen's informative and gripping book about the kidnapping of her son: Why Johnny Can't Come Home. Unbelievibly, now Noreen is threatened with another loss, as if the 1982 brutal kidnapping of her son Johnny wasn't enough. A scoundrel is using the courts to paint Noreen into a legal and financial corner in order to to steal HER remaining book inventory and the reprint rights to HER book. This is unconscionable. Noreen's book, Why Johnny Can't Come Home, represents a huge part of her life story, and, frankly, it's practically all she tangibly has left of her son. And that brings us to the Jeff Gannon conundrum. In addition to the potentially devestating legal battle over her book, Noreen is still trying to determine if Jeff Gannon is indeed her son Johnny Gosch. Those who say there's not enough credible evidence to demand a DNA test, which would finally resolve this issue, are simply WRONG! For example, Jim Rothstein, a retired NYC Detective, who spent 35 years on the force, much of it
investigating child slavery and pedophile rings, asserts that the evidence is strong that Gannon is actually Johnny Gosch. "To me Gannon looks like Johnny," Rothstein opines-- "Everything just fits - the profile, the M.O., everything, " Then there's Ted Gunderson, a retired FBI agent who has worked on the Johnny Gosch case for over a decade. On Gunderson's website his bio reads, *Prior to retirement in 1979, Ted Gunderson had over 700 persons under his command and operated a $22 million annual budget." His complete resume is here: http://www.tedgunderson.com. Gunderson says he has a credible source that is certain Jeff Gannon is Johnny Gosch. "My source has told me in the past that he has maintained contact with Johnny Gosch," Gunderson reveals, "Let's just say he's in a position to know." "The kids are all in touch with each other. It's a bond they all share." Gunderson concludes with, "The only way I'd be 100 percent sure is if there was a DNA test or if he admitted it." Noreen confirms, "Ted sent me a videotape of his interview with his source and he {source} said Gannon is Gosch, and he said it without hesitation and without blinking an eye, and he said he's known it for months." Noreen "believes the man is credible." Gunderson makes it clear that Bonacci is not his informant, but is quick to add that Bonacci "informed him a while back that Gosch had changed his appearance." In fact, there's even corroboration from John DeCamp, who weighs in with, "Bonacci told me the same thing {that Jeff Gannon is Johnny Gosch}." And this bombshell from Noreen: "...the birthmark on Johnny's chest is very similar to a mark seen on Gannon's chest in at least one photo. Gannon has a spot on his right cheek in the same place as Johnny." The Rothstein, Gunderson, and Gosch (Noreen) quotes are from an article by Tim Schmitt, "Johnny Gosch, Jeff Gannon, Hunter Thompson and the Unraveling of a Troubling Tale" (http://educate-yourself.org/cn/goschgannohuntertrublingtale05apr05.shtml) The bottom line is this: There is enough "credible" evidence linking Jeff Gannon and Johnny Gosch for Noreen and her private investigators to insist on a DNA test. The "credible" evidence phase of the case has passed. It's now a case of obtaining "conclusive" evidence. To her credit, Noreen has ALWAYS maintained that she didn't KNOW beyond a shadow of doubt if Gannon was or wasn't her son, Johnny. But she'd like to know, and I believe she deserves to know, whichever way it turns out.
CHARLENE: Isn't this the first time Jeff Gannon has publicly stated that he's not Johnny Gosch? Why now? NOREEN: I think Gannon needs to continue the publicity and is now coming forward on the DNA only too keep somewhat of a spotlight on himself. CHARLENE: Even though you've always publicly maintained that you didn't know if Jeff Gannon was Johnny Gosch, Gannon has threatened to sue you on three different occasions. Why? What types of contact have you had with Jeff Gannon? NOREEN: I have had only email communication with Gannon. He threatened to sue me because I have stated " I do not know if Gannon is or is not Johnny". He claims that is throwing doubt in the minds of people who would otherwise say he is not Johnny. I would think he would want the DNA test and if he is not Johnny ... then state it publicly and be done with it. CHARLENE: I understand there are some unique physical characteristics that Jeff Gannon and Johnny Gosch share. What are they? NOREEN: There are many facial features and the basic structure of his face which are similar to Johnny. The color of his eyes and reports of a birthmark on Gannon is the same as Johnny's. I have not seen the birthmark however. CHARLENE: For many internet researchers and bloggers, there appear to be numerous reasons to suspect that Jeff Gannon and Johnny Gosch are the same person. For starters, the name Jeff Gannon, seems be related to Johnny Gosh in a twisted sort of way. Would you explain the "name game" and how it relates to other "players" and Johnny? NOREEN: It appears in all of the alias names Gannon has used that he kept the same initials as Johnny... JDG. Gannon also chose the last name of the Des Moines Register Editor at the time Johnny was kidnapped. There just seems to be a replay constantly of Johnny's initials or clues to link Gannon to parts of Johnny's life. CHARLENE: Besides the physical attributes and JDG initials pattern, what other linkages/revelations between Gannon and Johnny have compelled you and your team to propose a DNA test be administered to Gannon in order to acheive closure on the Gannon/Gosch issue? NOREEN: There have been two informants who have stated Gannon and Johnny are one in the same person. For me, the only way that could possibly be resolved is a DNA test. That is the reason my investigative team have
asked for a DNA test. CHARLENE: I understand you've verified that Johnny had plastic surgery about 4 years ago, and coincidentally he also started shaving his head around the same time. NOREEN: Yes, long before Gannon surfaced, I had learned that Johnny had plastic surgery and begun to shave his head. So when Gannon did come on the scene... it was one more thing to consider. CHARLENE: Not long ago, on an internet radio interview, I heard Rusty Nelson, Larry King's ex-private, pedophile-ring photographer speaking about, among other things, Jeff Gannon and Johnny Gosch. Unfortunately, Rusty Nelson's story is beyond the scope of this interview. Suffice it to say, in order to survive and out of sheer desperation, Rusty managed to escape from Larry King's clutches and is currently on the lam. Naturally, having been King's private photographer, Nelson knew Johnny. During the interview Nelson offered his opinion as to whether or not he thought Johnny Gosch was Jeff Gannon. To paraphrase, he volunteered that he felt close to certain that they were one and the same person. He followed up with an anecdotal story about having serendipitously bumped into Johnny Gosch, several years ago at a Farmer's Market--I can't recall where. It seems to me that Rusty Nelson is qualified to speculate on this matter. Were you aware of his conjecture? Have you been in contact with Rusty Nelson? NOREEN: I have been in contact with Rusty and have known him for years. He has shared a great deal of information with us and testified in federal court in 1999 as to all of these events. He told me nearly 4 years ago that he had seen Johnny at the Farmer's Market in a particular city. CHARLENE: As of late you've been in contact with the Franklin kids. These are the children from the Des Moines and Omaha area who were also abducted and MK-ULTRAED into Larry King's international, elite controlled, pedophile ring around the same time Johnny was. Some of these survivors are no doubt members of the original 83 children who came forward to testify about their horrific abuse in the Franklin Case. Of course, like Johnny these "children" are now approaching 40 years of age, but they are most likely developmentally arrested, to greater or lesser degrees, "emotionally frozen" at the age they were abducted and ritually traumatized. Can you share with us what these survivors, the victims of King's pedophile ring are telling you of their horrific ordeal and their feelings about the future? NOREEN: I have been in touch with a number of the Franklin kids, many have shared information with me. They continue communication to this day.
Gannon up to and including the current agreement? NOREEN: In March 2005, shortly after this story broke about Gannon. I wrote to him by email (3 times) to ask him to "quietly agree to a DNA test" to resolve this situation. Gannon did not answer my emails. We then sent a gentleman representing me to Gannon's home to talk with him. Gannon answered the door, when the man asked him about a DNA and told he was there on behalf of the "woman in Iowa". Gannon slammed the door on the man. We later were on a network TV show in which Gannon said he would take a DNA test. Only to later develop all kinds of stipulations:
- That the results should be kept private (no problem there).
- That I would be required to make a public statement saying he was not my son and sign documents agreeing not to ever mention his name in public.
- That Gannon would publicly make some declarations of "spiritual support" for me.
- Finally, that Gannon go forward to be a "national speaker for Missing Children." Some of these conditions were absurd. To date... Gannon agreed to do the DNA on Michael Corbin's show then has stalled once again. The DNA test is now in limbo for a while. CHARLENE: Did Gannon ever ask to be paid for taking a DNA test? NOREEN: Yes at one time he stated he wanted to be paid big bucks for his "DNA SAMPLE". I rejected that idea but offered to pay for the actual test. CHARLENE: As I recall, your longtime private investigator, Mr. Rothstein, who is a retired NYC Detective, is in charge of DNA negotiations/ logistics with Jeff Gannon. If Gannon actually follows through and submits to a DNA test, I'm sure Rothstein will ensure every step of the procedure is carefully monitored. Call me paranoid, but I would be suspicious of the results-- if there were any unsupervised gaps (breaks in the chain of evidence) between the blood being drawn and the DNA analysis. Even if the lab is reputable, elite sociopaths (people behind Gannon?) with unlimited power and money to burn always seem to find ways to derail these well intentioned, truth seeking investigations. I'm sure Mr. Rothstein is twenty steps ahead of me on this-- and has a plan in place to control as many variables as humanly possible so that Gannon's DNA test results will be bona fide. Can you comment? NOREEN: Jim Rothstein has arranged for a reliable lab to do the DNA test.
We have advised Gannon of this... He has refused to give us the name of his attorney so we can communicate with him to make arrangements. CHARLENE: It seem obvious that Gannon is playing mind games with you regarding his willingness or lack there of to take a DNA test! And as you've astutely surmised, this on again off again DNA test scenario is free publicity for him. And I'm sure Gannon is more than capable of making good use of publicity, even if it's negative. On the other hand, if he is Johnny Gosch, taking a DNA test could undoubtedly put him in harms way. Then again, this DNA volleyball could be part of an overall cynical strategy by Gannon and his handlers to keep the "Gannon is Gosch" story alive, but essentially take the energy out of it. The story continues, it limps along, but in a vapid state of limbo. This way the character arc, the tension, the climax of the story can been shifted to fit an agenda. Maybe this game is a backdoor approach for Gannon to gain control of the "Is Gannon really Gosch" speculation frenzy. He knows the DNA ball will forever be in his court. If Gannon can keep the story focused at the level of a DNA test that's never resolved, and if he can keep the public's ATTENTION focused on forensics -- he's in control. And while he does his DNA dance, he can also threaten legal action against anyone who publicly wonders about the is "Gannon really Gosch" riddle -- it's a CHECKMATE of sorts. CHARLENE: A local media outlet in your region about a month ago ran a piece on their internet site announcing that there had been a significant "breakthrough" in the Johnny Gosch case. I think they described it as: "Johnny Gosch case heating-up." Yet they never mentioned exactly what the breakthrough was! Or I just plain missed it. However, they did mention something about the CIA and their alleged involvement in organized pedophilia. What happened to the CIA agent who had contacted you in order to help you crack the Johnny Gosch case years ago, and who was instrumental in your testifying before a Congressional Committee? What was the "breakthrough" in Johnny's case? NOREEN: The CIA agent who has resurfaced recently has brought information to Jim Rothstein which is significant at this time. Jim shared a portion of it, which the Waterloo, Iowa TV station reported on. It was then circulated throughout the internet. He informed us that originally 1700 children were targeted for this project... they (pedophile ring) set about kidnapping children throughout the country over a period of years. The number of "usable children" they ended up with was approximately 1,000. I filed a FIOA request and received a reply saying "All records on Johnny's case with the CIA have vanished." CHARLENE: After all these years, a fearful eye-witness finally came forward and detailed what really had happened to Johnny Gosch on the day
NOREEN: Over the years I have been followed, received threatening phone calls, had men come to my home and pound on the outside of my house, throw rocks at my home. My cars have been damaged. It has been a very nerve wracking situation and one has to wonder, why would anyone harass the mother of a missing child ..... just for looking for her child? It is because there is much more to this crime and they are afraid I will uncover it and make it ALL PUBLIC. CHARLENE: Is there an official/unofficial body-count related to the Franklin/Johnny Gosch case? NOREEN: The official body count for deaths in the Franklin/Johnny case is now up to 15 deaths of witnesses and people who have come forward with information. CHARLENE: From what you and your investigators have discovered, what have you determined about how organized pedophile rings function? For example, is it true that these rings hire professional photographers to surreptitiously photograph children, and then compile these photos into catalogues so "clients" can choose their preferred victims? NOREEN: In August 1984, I testified at a Senate Hearing in Washington DC. It was an Organized Crime hearing regarding Missing Children. During the various testimony by myself and others, Ken Lanning of the FBI, also testified. The FBI also provided a catalog of materials confiscated by them during the arrest of pedophiles. There were instruction books on molesting children, torture devices and a catalog of children who had not yet been kidnapped. A prospective "BUYERS GUIDE". CHARLENE: On a more personal note, I worked at a Rape Crisis Center, in the early 90's as a psychotherapist, as an advocate for sexual abuse victims, as well as directing and coordinating a Children's SafeHouse. The SafeHouse was a specially prepared room in the center where we forensically interviewed sexually abused children in order to provide evidence to hopefully prosecute perpetrators directly or use the evidence to extract confessions and then prosecute. Sadly, there was an appalling number of sexually abused children who were routinely referred to the center, for therapy and Safe-House interviews. And guess what? ORGANIZED PEDOPHILE RINGS WERE NEVER MENTIONED-- EVER! All the standard, official literature about pedophilia was contained to sick individuals acting alone. I seriously doubt if that has changed. The Johnny Gosch case and others like it were NEVER mentioned. And we at the center were considered to be among cutting edge sexual abuse specialists, educators and therapists. Rape Crisis centers and police departments around the country should be buying box loads of your books.
Are they? NOREEN: What we uncovered 22 years ago was that many pedophile rings are operative in this country. No one wanted to hear this information at that time. Now we hear it in the form of "human trafficking". We have a task force created in Washington DC working on this very degree of "high crime". My book is helpful for people, as this outlines from the beginning how Johnny's kidnapping transpired and it will help others protect their children. CHARLENE: Why do you think so few American's know the truth about the Johnny Gosch case? Why do you think organized pedophilia operates under-the-radar, while depraved, lone nutters or sick relatives who commit single or serial acts of pedophilia are splashed all over the mainstream tabloids and newspapers? NOREEN: It may appear that many people do not know about Johnny's case but there has been visitors from all over the world to my website.... www.johnnygosch.com. Some of the countries were France, England, Japan, China, Russia, Argentina, Greece, Italy, not to mention all over the United States. It is not in the main stream media now because it is not a "new case". During the early years there was a lot of press coverage, but older cases have to move over to make room for the new ones. CHARLENE: Do you know how high up in government and corporate circles the pedophile ring Larry King was operating reached? NOREEN: I only know he had high political connections in the Republican party and had "friends in high places" so to speak. CHARLENE: From my research, it appears organized pedophilia is more rampant than ever. It's international in scope, and it's a multi-billion dollar growth industry. Please comment. NOREEN: Pedophilia, kiddie porn and child prostitution is a multi-billion dollar business. The only reason we have it to this degree is "supply and
CHARLENE: In February of 1999 in Lincoln Nebraska, you were questioned by Plaintiff Paul Bonacci's attorney, John DeCamp, in the civil action Paul A. Bonacci vs Lawrence E. King, with Judge Warren K. Urbom presiding, and you revealed under oath the following : "We have investigated, we have talked to so far 35 victims of this said organization that took my son and is responsible for what happened to Paul, and they can verify everything that has happened. What this story involves is an elaborate function, I will say, that was an offshoot of a government program. The MK-Ultra program was developed in the 1950s by the CIA. It was used to help spy on other countries during the Cold War because they felt that the other countries were spying on us." (...) "... there was a man by the name of Michael Aquino. He was in the military. He had top Pentagon clearances. He was a pedophile. He was a Satanist. He's founded the Temple of Set. And he was a close friend of Anton LaVey. The two of them were very active in ritualistic sexual abuse. And they deferred funding from this government program to use [in] this experimentation on children. "...they deliberately split off the personalities of these children into multiples, so that when they're questioned or put under oath or questioned under lie detector, that unless the operator knows how to question a multiple-personality disorder, they turn up with no evidence. They used these kids to sexually compromise politicians or anyone else they wish to have control of. This sounds so far out and so bizarre I had trouble accepting it in the beginning myself until I was presented with the data. We have the proof. In black and white." Note: Noreen Gosch testimony culled from: Satanic subversion of the U.S. Military, by Jeffrey Steinberg: www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/satanic_subversion.htm Your testimony serves as an eloquent summary of the Johnny Gosch case and as a scathing indictment of government sponsored, pedophile operations. That's why I included it as part of this interview. My question, Noreen, is - how did Michael Aquino specifically fit into the Johnny Gosch kidnapping? NOREEN: It was reported to me and given in Federal Court, February 1999, by Paul Bonacci, that "Michael Aquino ... called the "Colonel" was in fact the man who came to Iowa, paid the kidnappers for taking Johnny, then took Johnny with him. This took place 14 days after the kidnapping. Bonacci stated this under oath in Federal Court. Judge Urbom ruled Bonacci was telling the truth.
CHARLENE: In your opinion why did Judge Urbom find Paul Bonacci and the overall evidence John DeCamp presented to the court so compelling? NOREEN: It was very surprising to us that Judge Urbom would allow this process to take place, since he was the same Judge that stated he thought Bonacci was nuts, not credible and not telling the truth. He did an "about face" ... CHARLENE: Any clues, guesses as to why Judge Urbom changed his mind so abruptly? You certainly found Paul Bonacci credible. Why? NOREEN: I have no idea why Judge Urbom changed his mind, it still baffles all of us including John DeCamp. Paul Bonacci's information-- we have been able to research, verify and prove the things he told us. This was done by a private investigator that John De Camp hired years ago in 1989 through 2000. CHARLENE: Could you connect the dots between brain wave frequencies, codes, multi- personality disorder, and MK-ULTRA as it relates to organized pedophilia? NOREEN: The mind control works similar to hypnosis only to much deeper levels. They program at Alpha, Beta, Theta and beyond to Omega level of brain wave frequency the desired instructions for later use. During the training/programming there is a technique where by the victim ... is split and new personalities with identities are created for desired purposes. They can be activated by a "key word, song, verbal suggestion" the mind control victim will then go into what I would call an "automatic pilot" situation and act out exactly what has been programmed in the individual. CHARLENE: Was the program called Project Monarch? Didn't Bonacci's diary contain pages and pages of codes? NOREEN: Yes it was called Project Monarch and Bonacci had 4 or 5 diaries with coding in it, step by step instructions on constructing a bomb etc. And an account of all his abuses. CHARLENE: Paul Bonacci won the case. Judge Urbom ruled that Lawrence E. King was to pay Paul Bonacci one million dollars in damages. Although Mr. Bonacci has yet to collect a penny of this hard won judgment, Paul Bonacci's court victory, especially what he conveyed about his role in Johnny Gosch's abduction, has given your investigation into Johnny's disappearance and organized pedophilia more credibility. You've been in touch off and on with Paul Bonacci since 1999. He's told you things about Johnny's appearance, changes that Johnny has made to his person that are
of a report written by Michael Aquino and instead got a letter from the "NSA". I said "how would you know that"? She replied, "I know a lot of things... would you like a copy, I have one and will mail it to you". She did... and that is how I received it. I think Michael told her I had tried to get and put her up to calling me for some reason. CHARLENE: So now there is a devious scheme to steal your book. A Mr. Zielinski is using the legal system to attempt to intimidate you and steal your remaining book inventory, as well as seize the reprinting rights to your self-published book: Why Johnny Can't Come Home. John Zielinski is a published author of primarily books on the Amish. Where, when, and under what circumstances did you FIRST meet Mr. Zielinski? NOREEN: This is the most OUTRAGEOUS situation yet. To think someone would try to take control of my book inventory and the reprint right is unthinkable, not to mention the height of cruelty. This book is not a "big money maker". It is not a Harry Potter type book with huge popularity. It is a book designed to tell the story of my son, to help educate others and protect children. The revenue keeps the expenses paid on the Johnny Gosch Foundation and this idiot wants to try and take it from me. It is unthinkable. CHARLENE: When did Mr. Zielinski, first call you and ask you If you were planning on writing a book about Johnny's abduction? NOREEN: I first met Zielinski when he called our home and asked to do an interview. He said he was a journalist. I did the interview just as I had with many other journalists. I didn't hear from him again until Nov. 1999, he began calling repeatedly to my office, asking when I was going to write my book. I told him the book was in progress. I began writing my book in 1984. CHARLENE: I find it odd that Mr. Zielinski contacted you and forthrightly asked you if you were planning on covering information about the CIA created MK-ULTRA program in your book. Why do you think an author of Amish books would be so interested in MK-ULTRA? NOREEN: Zielinski had a legal issue with Sutherland Publishing company in Iowa. There was a court trial over the rights to a book on the Amish which Zielinski claimed to have written. Sutherland won the case, a $25, judgment was placed against Zielinski and he was banned from ever publishing another book in the State of Iowa under his own name. I think he just wanted to "ride on the coat tails of the Johnny Gosch case". He did ask if I was going to include info on the MK-ULTRA. I said yes... I have a great deal of info on it. CHARLENE: Is it accurate to say Mr. Zielinski was impressing you with
his ability to do research, extract information and cite sources from books in his personal library about MK-ULTRA? He surely is no expert on MK- ULTRA. Were these books out of print, extremely esoteric, or in some way not easily available to you other than through him? NOREEN: Zielinski said he had some more material on MK-ULTRA and thought it should be included in the book. He offered to do some research on MK-ULTRA. CHARLENE: How much material for your book on the subject of MK- ULTRA did he actually provide? NOREEN: He only provided a few paragraphs in a couple chapters. The info in those paragraphs were taken from other books written by other authors, and I listed credit to those authors for each entry in my book. CHARLENE: And now he claims, in his lawsuit against you, that he wrote the entire book for you and spent 12,000 hours on the project? How much research time did he actually spend on your book? NOREEN: His claims are absolutely absurd and a complete lie. I have many witnesses to my statements and proof the book is mine. It is a chronological account of my search for my son. It is my son, my story and my book. He only worked a short time on the research. I have no idea where he drummed this outrageous number of hours he claims to have spent on the project. CHARLENE: Can you explain the payment or other compensation arrangement you hammered out with Mr. Zielinski, including the remuneration he readily agreed to. Am I correct in assuming Zielinski refused to put the agreement in writing, although you had repeatedly requested a signed contract? NOREEN: When Zielinski wanted to be involved in some research. I asked him what he wanted for this. He said, "I only want my expenses covered while I am in Des Moines". He also stated this before 5 witnesses. He refused to sign any written agreement to this effect. I repeatedly asked him to sign an agreement so we would be clear on this issue. I should have thrown him out of my office right then. But I didn't know he had such sinister plan in the back of his mind. CHARLENE: Mr. Zielinski arrived to work with you at the end of May in
- Your book was finished and sent to the publisher in September of
- You, in fact, did the layout for your book by learning how to use the Pagemaker program on your own. Yet, Mr. Zielinski proclaims that he did it all, he wrote the entire book, he did the layout, and he originated the idea of doing a book on Johnny Gosch's kidnapping in the first place. Last but not
